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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/07/24/gmtr-fantasy-basketball-big-board-updated-july-24/comment-page-1/#comment-2116</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry guys but I&#039;m quickly losing faith in your big board. Chris Duhon just signed with the Knicks where he&#039;ll almost certainly be the starting PG making him (at worst) a top 120 player in a high paced offense. Yet two different &quot;experts&quot; have him ranked behind Travis Deiner, now the 3rd string PG for the Pacers due to their off-season trades. And Carlos Delfino and Josh Childress still rank when they&#039;re both no longer in the league. This is also the 2nd straight board where you&#039;ve failed to rank OJ Mayo at all. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry but it doesn&#039;t look like a lot of care was taken while making your so-called updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry guys but I&#39;m quickly losing faith in your big board. Chris Duhon just signed with the Knicks where he&#39;ll almost certainly be the starting PG making him (at worst) a top 120 player in a high paced offense. Yet two different &#8220;experts&#8221; have him ranked behind Travis Deiner, now the 3rd string PG for the Pacers due to their off-season trades. And Carlos Delfino and Josh Childress still rank when they&#39;re both no longer in the league. This is also the 2nd straight board where you&#39;ve failed to rank OJ Mayo at all. </p>
<p>Sorry but it doesn&#39;t look like a lot of care was taken while making your so-called updates.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/07/24/gmtr-fantasy-basketball-big-board-updated-july-24/comment-page-1/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI. Greg Oden is still missing from your Big Board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI. Greg Oden is still missing from your Big Board.</p>
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		<title>By: bucko</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/07/24/gmtr-fantasy-basketball-big-board-updated-july-24/comment-page-1/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>bucko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 00:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and put up almost exactly the same numbers as the year before&quot;

06-07
19.1 PT 0.3 3s 7.4 RBs 3.7 Asts 2.1 Stls 0.3 Blks 2.9 TOs 46.3 FG 86.3 FT

07-08
20.3 PT 1.1 3s 6.7 RBs 4.9 Asts 2.2 Stls 0.4 Blks 2.6 TOs 46.6 FG 90.1 Ft

I think your comment is way off base.  His numbers improved considerably last year, the increase was even higher while Arenas was out.

The biggest concern still isn&#039;t being addressed.  Butler misses 20 games a season.  You can&#039;t have your 1st round pick miss a quarter of the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and put up almost exactly the same numbers as the year before&#8221;</p>
<p>06-07<br />
19.1 PT 0.3 3s 7.4 RBs 3.7 Asts 2.1 Stls 0.3 Blks 2.9 TOs 46.3 FG 86.3 FT</p>
<p>07-08<br />
20.3 PT 1.1 3s 6.7 RBs 4.9 Asts 2.2 Stls 0.4 Blks 2.6 TOs 46.6 FG 90.1 Ft</p>
<p>I think your comment is way off base.  His numbers improved considerably last year, the increase was even higher while Arenas was out.</p>
<p>The biggest concern still isn&#8217;t being addressed.  Butler misses 20 games a season.  You can&#8217;t have your 1st round pick miss a quarter of the season.</p>
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		<title>By: Nels</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/07/24/gmtr-fantasy-basketball-big-board-updated-july-24/comment-page-1/#comment-2113</link>
		<dc:creator>Nels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bucko, here&#039;s why I put Butler there: He finished at #6 last season without Arenas, and put up almost exactly the same numbers as the year before (as you mentioned). He should have been higher than mid-second round that year as well as last year.

As for Granger, I am personally worried about his ceiling. There just isn&#039;t enough data there yet for me to say for certain that he&#039;s going to be that much better than last year. You are right that his team has changed in a way that should be better for him, and I&#039;m sure that he&#039;ll get taken in the 10-15 range in a lot of leagues because there is certainly the possibility that he&#039;ll be even better than that. But I prefer to be pessimistic about mostly everybody and I try to draft players when I feel they should have &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; been drafted, as opposed to drafting them at the high end of their topside potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bucko, here&#8217;s why I put Butler there: He finished at #6 last season without Arenas, and put up almost exactly the same numbers as the year before (as you mentioned). He should have been higher than mid-second round that year as well as last year.</p>
<p>As for Granger, I am personally worried about his ceiling. There just isn&#8217;t enough data there yet for me to say for certain that he&#8217;s going to be that much better than last year. You are right that his team has changed in a way that should be better for him, and I&#8217;m sure that he&#8217;ll get taken in the 10-15 range in a lot of leagues because there is certainly the possibility that he&#8217;ll be even better than that. But I prefer to be pessimistic about mostly everybody and I try to draft players when I feel they should have <em>already</em> been drafted, as opposed to drafting them at the high end of their topside potential.</p>
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		<title>By: bucko</title>
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		<dc:creator>bucko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t understand why Caron Butler is being drafted so high.  He received a major boost in threes and assists last year while Arenas was out.  With Arenas being back, his stats will revert back to mid-second round status.  Add in the fact that he is injury prone and I think that drops him out of the second round completely.

I also think Danny Granger should be higher.  He finished 17th last year.  He was 5th after J. O&#039;Neal left.  Now he will have an entire season without O&#039;Neal and they significantly upgraded their point guard in T.J Ford.   Add in the fact that he is young and last year was his first full-time starter year and you have to agree he finishes higher than last year.  I like him anywhere in the 10-15 range, with the potential to make  a Chris Paulesque type of leap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand why Caron Butler is being drafted so high.  He received a major boost in threes and assists last year while Arenas was out.  With Arenas being back, his stats will revert back to mid-second round status.  Add in the fact that he is injury prone and I think that drops him out of the second round completely.</p>
<p>I also think Danny Granger should be higher.  He finished 17th last year.  He was 5th after J. O&#8217;Neal left.  Now he will have an entire season without O&#8217;Neal and they significantly upgraded their point guard in T.J Ford.   Add in the fact that he is young and last year was his first full-time starter year and you have to agree he finishes higher than last year.  I like him anywhere in the 10-15 range, with the potential to make  a Chris Paulesque type of leap.</p>
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		<title>By: Nels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TC, I apologize also for the tone of my response. I guess I left off the part where I feel like having 200+ players ranked in July when most people are still trying to make the fantasy baseball playoffs or thinking only about their football draft is something you won&#039;t find on most fantasy sites. And also, I feel like the Big Board (and mock draft sheet) are more &quot;Open Source&quot; or &quot;Web 2.0&quot; type things (as compared to the GMTR Player Rater which is fairly proprietary). By Open Source and Web 2.0, I mean released to the public as early as possible and then iteratively refined from there. As I mentioned, I&#039;ve already updated them with your comments. I can&#039;t remember (nor find) where I recently read the quote, but a famous writer once said (paraphrasing): A writer&#039;s job is to seek out as much criticism as possible.

That said, the controversial posts are always more interesting and popular than the straightforward, easy-to-digest ones. Or, as Kanye once said: &lt;em&gt;Everybody feel a way about K but at least y&#039;all feel somethin&lt;/em&gt;

As for Duhon (again), I don&#039;t disagree that if he gets 30 minutes per game that he&#039;ll be a 110-120 ranking PG. The place where we differ, though, is that you think he&#039;ll get those minutes, and I don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TC, I apologize also for the tone of my response. I guess I left off the part where I feel like having 200+ players ranked in July when most people are still trying to make the fantasy baseball playoffs or thinking only about their football draft is something you won&#8217;t find on most fantasy sites. And also, I feel like the Big Board (and mock draft sheet) are more &#8220;Open Source&#8221; or &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; type things (as compared to the GMTR Player Rater which is fairly proprietary). By Open Source and Web 2.0, I mean released to the public as early as possible and then iteratively refined from there. As I mentioned, I&#8217;ve already updated them with your comments. I can&#8217;t remember (nor find) where I recently read the quote, but a famous writer once said (paraphrasing): A writer&#8217;s job is to seek out as much criticism as possible.</p>
<p>That said, the controversial posts are always more interesting and popular than the straightforward, easy-to-digest ones. Or, as Kanye once said: <em>Everybody feel a way about K but at least y&#8217;all feel somethin</em></p>
<p>As for Duhon (again), I don&#8217;t disagree that if he gets 30 minutes per game that he&#8217;ll be a 110-120 ranking PG. The place where we differ, though, is that you think he&#8217;ll get those minutes, and I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/07/24/gmtr-fantasy-basketball-big-board-updated-july-24/comment-page-1/#comment-2110</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough on all counts and I do apologize for the tone of my last post.

I do realize that it&#039;s only July but your rankings do look like they&#039;ve just made small changes from last season instead of looking at players who&#039;s situations have drastically changed. And identifying those are the players that win or lose leagues for you. That&#039;s locating both solid sleepers (like Duhon) or players to avoid (like the now 3rd string Deiner). I&#039;m sure this isn&#039;t anything you don&#039;t already know I&#039;m just surprised that you shrugged off the value of Duhon so easily? NY has all but said that Marbury won&#039;t be back next season with all the sarcastic comments that D&#039;Antoni has made about him this summer and they&#039;ve already signed 2 PG&#039;s to forward with.

As it is, back in 2005-06 Duhon started for the Bulls, played almost 30 mpg and was ranked in the top 110. And no matter how bad you think Duhon is (and he&#039;s not a great player by any stretch) if you&#039;re an NBA starting PG getting 30+ mpg as he looks to get this year, you&#039;re going to rank pretty high. Certainly higher than he did last season. Just look at what Anthony Carter and Beno Udrih last season.

Good luck and I hope this turns into healthy debate rather than my previous immature rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough on all counts and I do apologize for the tone of my last post.</p>
<p>I do realize that it&#8217;s only July but your rankings do look like they&#8217;ve just made small changes from last season instead of looking at players who&#8217;s situations have drastically changed. And identifying those are the players that win or lose leagues for you. That&#8217;s locating both solid sleepers (like Duhon) or players to avoid (like the now 3rd string Deiner). I&#8217;m sure this isn&#8217;t anything you don&#8217;t already know I&#8217;m just surprised that you shrugged off the value of Duhon so easily? NY has all but said that Marbury won&#8217;t be back next season with all the sarcastic comments that D&#8217;Antoni has made about him this summer and they&#8217;ve already signed 2 PG&#8217;s to forward with.</p>
<p>As it is, back in 2005-06 Duhon started for the Bulls, played almost 30 mpg and was ranked in the top 110. And no matter how bad you think Duhon is (and he&#8217;s not a great player by any stretch) if you&#8217;re an NBA starting PG getting 30+ mpg as he looks to get this year, you&#8217;re going to rank pretty high. Certainly higher than he did last season. Just look at what Anthony Carter and Beno Udrih last season.</p>
<p>Good luck and I hope this turns into healthy debate rather than my previous immature rant.</p>
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		<title>By: Nels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TC, I can see why you&#039;re losing faith, but starting your argument with Chris Duhon doesn&#039;t really hit me where it hurts. I&#039;ve removed Delfino and Childress, and added Mayo, so that takes care of the majority of your fairly constructive criticism.

As for Duhon... well, the Knicks are a mess. And even if Duhon got 29 minutes a game, he&#039;d be right about where you say he&#039;d be &quot;at worst.&quot; I see that case as his &quot;at best.&quot; I don&#039;t really believe that D&#039;Antoni will somehow transform the Knicks into a fantasy powerhouse like he did with the Suns. If they get rid of Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph, then I will feel more comfortable moving Duhon up the board. Perhaps I&#039;m just overly critical of Duhon because I had to deal with him as part of the 6-foot-3-and-under 3-guard lineup the Bulls actually put on the floor at times. But the Knicks still have Jamal Crawford (who played 39 minutes in 80 games last season), and Nate Robinson (who played 26 minutes in 72 games), both of whom seem (to me at least) more like D&#039;Antoni type players than Duhon.

The Knicks also have Quintin Richardson at SG (a surefire D&#039;Antoni guy) and Mardy Collins at the more general backup G position. They also just signed the 6-2 guard Anthony Roberson. Even if they dump Stephon Marbury, that&#039;s 6 players for 2 spots and I don&#039;t see how you can get more than 20 minutes for Duhon from that.

Finally, we never claimed to be experts, unless it was sarcastic and/or self-deprecating. Sorry if you got the wrong impression. We are just two guys who like fantasy basketball enough to write a blog about it. If you want a Big Board from an actual, official &lt;em&gt;expert&lt;/em&gt; go to Yahoo and check out Brandon Funston, from whom we (or at least I) stole the idea for the Big Board in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TC, I can see why you&#8217;re losing faith, but starting your argument with Chris Duhon doesn&#8217;t really hit me where it hurts. I&#8217;ve removed Delfino and Childress, and added Mayo, so that takes care of the majority of your fairly constructive criticism.</p>
<p>As for Duhon&#8230; well, the Knicks are a mess. And even if Duhon got 29 minutes a game, he&#8217;d be right about where you say he&#8217;d be &#8220;at worst.&#8221; I see that case as his &#8220;at best.&#8221; I don&#8217;t really believe that D&#8217;Antoni will somehow transform the Knicks into a fantasy powerhouse like he did with the Suns. If they get rid of Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph, then I will feel more comfortable moving Duhon up the board. Perhaps I&#8217;m just overly critical of Duhon because I had to deal with him as part of the 6-foot-3-and-under 3-guard lineup the Bulls actually put on the floor at times. But the Knicks still have Jamal Crawford (who played 39 minutes in 80 games last season), and Nate Robinson (who played 26 minutes in 72 games), both of whom seem (to me at least) more like D&#8217;Antoni type players than Duhon.</p>
<p>The Knicks also have Quintin Richardson at SG (a surefire D&#8217;Antoni guy) and Mardy Collins at the more general backup G position. They also just signed the 6-2 guard Anthony Roberson. Even if they dump Stephon Marbury, that&#8217;s 6 players for 2 spots and I don&#8217;t see how you can get more than 20 minutes for Duhon from that.</p>
<p>Finally, we never claimed to be experts, unless it was sarcastic and/or self-deprecating. Sorry if you got the wrong impression. We are just two guys who like fantasy basketball enough to write a blog about it. If you want a Big Board from an actual, official <em>expert</em> go to Yahoo and check out Brandon Funston, from whom we (or at least I) stole the idea for the Big Board in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry guys but I&#039;m quickly losing faith in your big board. Chris Duhon just signed with the Knicks where he&#039;ll almost certainly be the starting PG making him (at worst) a top 120 player in a high paced offense. Yet two different &quot;experts&quot; have him ranked behind Travis Deiner, now the 3rd string PG for the Pacers due to their off-season trades. And Carlos Delfino and Josh Childress still rank when they&#039;re both no longer in the league. This is also the 2nd straight board where you&#039;ve failed to rank OJ Mayo at all.

Sorry but it doesn&#039;t look like a lot of care was taken while making your so-called updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry guys but I&#8217;m quickly losing faith in your big board. Chris Duhon just signed with the Knicks where he&#8217;ll almost certainly be the starting PG making him (at worst) a top 120 player in a high paced offense. Yet two different &#8220;experts&#8221; have him ranked behind Travis Deiner, now the 3rd string PG for the Pacers due to their off-season trades. And Carlos Delfino and Josh Childress still rank when they&#8217;re both no longer in the league. This is also the 2nd straight board where you&#8217;ve failed to rank OJ Mayo at all.</p>
<p>Sorry but it doesn&#8217;t look like a lot of care was taken while making your so-called updates.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d certainly agree that West has proven to reliable, and that you can be safe in predicting the sort of numbers he will give your team. What I guess I&#039;m hoping for is that the big games he had in the playoffs (particularly in the San Antonio series) are an indication of potential improvement from a guy who at 28 when the season starts will really be hitting his prime.

Boozer and Jefferson are both popular in my league and will be gone by the time I&#039;m picking. Shame really because even though I&#039;m a little excited to see what West can do the lack of C classification is a real downer.

Thanks again for the Big Board and for the site in general - it&#039;s hard to find quality info / opinions in late july.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d certainly agree that West has proven to reliable, and that you can be safe in predicting the sort of numbers he will give your team. What I guess I&#8217;m hoping for is that the big games he had in the playoffs (particularly in the San Antonio series) are an indication of potential improvement from a guy who at 28 when the season starts will really be hitting his prime.</p>
<p>Boozer and Jefferson are both popular in my league and will be gone by the time I&#8217;m picking. Shame really because even though I&#8217;m a little excited to see what West can do the lack of C classification is a real downer.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the Big Board and for the site in general &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to find quality info / opinions in late july.</p>
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