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		<title>By: Doneycat</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/10/15/simmons-on-fantasy-basketball/comment-page-1/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>Doneycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 19:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, those 3 4 and 5 picks were a little better.  I&#039;m a little upset he didn&#039;t go reaching all the way through.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, those 3 4 and 5 picks were a little better.  I&#8217;m a little upset he didn&#8217;t go reaching all the way through.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/10/15/simmons-on-fantasy-basketball/comment-page-1/#comment-2386</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doneycat - Well, let me say this about the 30-man in the nicest way possible. CBS pre-rankings are indeed a little wacky, at least compared to most of the other rankings out there. They&#039;re really big fans of Danilo Gallinari, for example, and I believe Dwight Howard was like their 2nd or 3rd top ranked center.

There is a time limit on draft picks (1.5 hr during working hours), which in a 30-man league can get a confusing even with automatic email updates. While most people have been on the ball, there have been a few autopicks from the CBS list.

I can&#039;t speak for Evan Silva personally, but after looking at his picks so far, I do like his 3,4, and 5 a lot better than his 1 and 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doneycat &#8211; Well, let me say this about the 30-man in the nicest way possible. CBS pre-rankings are indeed a little wacky, at least compared to most of the other rankings out there. They&#8217;re really big fans of Danilo Gallinari, for example, and I believe Dwight Howard was like their 2nd or 3rd top ranked center.</p>
<p>There is a time limit on draft picks (1.5 hr during working hours), which in a 30-man league can get a confusing even with automatic email updates. While most people have been on the ball, there have been a few autopicks from the CBS list.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for Evan Silva personally, but after looking at his picks so far, I do like his 3,4, and 5 a lot better than his 1 and 2.</p>
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		<title>By: dyeyk2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>dyeyk2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nels - No idea where to get that kind of service. I&#039;m not sure but it might be part of the pay service of yahoo. Nonetheless if somebody could find a fantasy site that can provide that setup, that would be great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nels &#8211; No idea where to get that kind of service. I&#8217;m not sure but it might be part of the pay service of yahoo. Nonetheless if somebody could find a fantasy site that can provide that setup, that would be great!</p>
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		<title>By: Doneycat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doneycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mild threadjack, but Patrick, in that 30 team CBS Sportsline league, does Evan Silva of Rotoworld have a metal plate in his head or does he have his pre-draft rankings set on &quot;random&quot;?   I gotta see what he comes up with in round 12.  I&#039;m thinking Jannero Pargo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mild threadjack, but Patrick, in that 30 team CBS Sportsline league, does Evan Silva of Rotoworld have a metal plate in his head or does he have his pre-draft rankings set on &#8220;random&#8221;?   I gotta see what he comes up with in round 12.  I&#8217;m thinking Jannero Pargo.</p>
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		<title>By: Doneycat</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2008/10/15/simmons-on-fantasy-basketball/comment-page-1/#comment-2370</link>
		<dc:creator>Doneycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to be in an nba.com league with a waiver wire budget, so I&#039;ll see how that goes.  I will let all y&#039;all know, I&#039;m a waiver wire hound, and that worked some for me recently (Bynum, Calderon) and some not (Mikki Moore).  It&#039;s certainly not a league killer, and plenty of times, the league is won by a guy making minimal moves.</description>
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		<title>By: Nels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is times like these I wish I&#039;d signed up for IntenseDebate before they were bought by Automattic. Now I can&#039;t get my threaded comments plugin until they open it up again.

@dyeyk, I tried to come up with a Points league where the Points awarded were based on Hollinger&#039;s PER calculation (the simple version - without all the normalization). In the end, it made it harder to assess player value, the points awarded were kind of like funny munny, and it didn&#039;t change the value of most players significantly.

@Brendan, you hit upon one of the very reasons I started this blog in the first place. Those experts don&#039;t give us enough content over the summer, and then when they bombard us in Sept/Oct, it&#039;s fairly obvious or stuff that&#039;s just not very accurate.

@dyeyk (pt 2), I agree with your Waiver Wire idea. I think it totally makes sense to have WW/Free Agent pick ups only processed once a day based on how many people are trying to pick up each particular player. Is there a way to do that in any league you know of? I think Yahoo basically does this at the beginning of the season where players go on Waivers after the draft, but that only lasts for as long as the normal Waiver Wire length.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is times like these I wish I&#8217;d signed up for IntenseDebate before they were bought by Automattic. Now I can&#8217;t get my threaded comments plugin until they open it up again.</p>
<p>@dyeyk, I tried to come up with a Points league where the Points awarded were based on Hollinger&#8217;s PER calculation (the simple version &#8211; without all the normalization). In the end, it made it harder to assess player value, the points awarded were kind of like funny munny, and it didn&#8217;t change the value of most players significantly.</p>
<p>@Brendan, you hit upon one of the very reasons I started this blog in the first place. Those experts don&#8217;t give us enough content over the summer, and then when they bombard us in Sept/Oct, it&#8217;s fairly obvious or stuff that&#8217;s just not very accurate.</p>
<p>@dyeyk (pt 2), I agree with your Waiver Wire idea. I think it totally makes sense to have WW/Free Agent pick ups only processed once a day based on how many people are trying to pick up each particular player. Is there a way to do that in any league you know of? I think Yahoo basically does this at the beginning of the season where players go on Waivers after the draft, but that only lasts for as long as the normal Waiver Wire length.</p>
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		<title>By: dyeyk2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>dyeyk2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think that waiver auction is too complicated a solution for a simple problem. I&#039;ve always hated waiver runs for the week&#039;s hot player. Especially when some guys practically stake-out on a box score the whole game so they can swoop in on the hot player before everybody else. It becomes a race to the nearest internet connected PC.

SOLUTION?

Have all FA on permanent waiver-wire status until somebody picks them up, in which case a 1 day waiver deadline (12mn) commences.

This way everybody lines up. Say for example, last year, when Ford went down, everybody must have raced to their monitors to pick up Calderon. In this system, no such thing happens, everybody is given the rest of the day to &quot;bid&quot; for Calderon off the waivers. By 12mn that day, the system looks at all the players who have bids and then sorts the winners by waiver priority. Those who won the waiver pick up, automatically gets moved to end of the waiver priority queue. Those who don&#039;t have bids remain in a permanent waiver-wire status. Easy peasy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think that waiver auction is too complicated a solution for a simple problem. I&#8217;ve always hated waiver runs for the week&#8217;s hot player. Especially when some guys practically stake-out on a box score the whole game so they can swoop in on the hot player before everybody else. It becomes a race to the nearest internet connected PC.</p>
<p>SOLUTION?</p>
<p>Have all FA on permanent waiver-wire status until somebody picks them up, in which case a 1 day waiver deadline (12mn) commences.</p>
<p>This way everybody lines up. Say for example, last year, when Ford went down, everybody must have raced to their monitors to pick up Calderon. In this system, no such thing happens, everybody is given the rest of the day to &#8220;bid&#8221; for Calderon off the waivers. By 12mn that day, the system looks at all the players who have bids and then sorts the winners by waiver priority. Those who won the waiver pick up, automatically gets moved to end of the waiver priority queue. Those who don&#8217;t have bids remain in a permanent waiver-wire status. Easy peasy.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He used to BE one of the best sportswriters around, and regardless of if we still like him he was by far one of the most influential writers in establishing sports blogging as a viable medium. I actually e-mailed him to show him my post, just because I wouldn&#039;t want people criticizing me without letting me see it. If he sees it, I doubt he&#039;ll respond.

I&#039;ve been a lot more vitriolic about corporate fantasy &quot;experts&quot; like the guys on ESPN or CBS lately. I just think that fantasy bloggers are more about the edge of theory and player rating, where the big companies are more interested in administering leagues and driving up market share, so you get guys like Karabell just sound like an idiot with his &quot;out there&quot; argument for Chris Paul at #2 behind LeBron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He used to BE one of the best sportswriters around, and regardless of if we still like him he was by far one of the most influential writers in establishing sports blogging as a viable medium. I actually e-mailed him to show him my post, just because I wouldn&#8217;t want people criticizing me without letting me see it. If he sees it, I doubt he&#8217;ll respond.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a lot more vitriolic about corporate fantasy &#8220;experts&#8221; like the guys on ESPN or CBS lately. I just think that fantasy bloggers are more about the edge of theory and player rating, where the big companies are more interested in administering leagues and driving up market share, so you get guys like Karabell just sound like an idiot with his &#8220;out there&#8221; argument for Chris Paul at #2 behind LeBron.</p>
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		<title>By: dyeyk2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>dyeyk2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That&#039;s a lot of words.

Anyway, this is quite disappointing. I&#039;ve never seen Bill Simmons shoot himself this much in the foot. It&#039;s obvious that the man is trying to innovate for the sake of innovation. The problems he posts are relevant don&#039;t get me wrong, but the solutions he posts are shallow, like something he just jotted down in 10 min.

I could have a million opinions on this article, but one that stands out the most is my rebuttal on his view of the kinds of statistics we use for fantasy (points, rebs, blocks etc)

We have to take step back and look at history here. For years, basketball statistics has been very shallow. We thought that what makes a player good, are the amount of points or blocks or rebounds he gets. Thus we patterned Fantasy Basketball on those stats. But we know now that that is not true. Basketball Statistics have advanced and we have better measurements such as Ass/TO ratio, PER, +/-, Win Scores, Usage Rate, Rebound Rate etc. All better gauges of a players true value. Even real NBA teams rely heavily on these stats.

If he wanted to talk about realism, why not use the above statistics for a fantasy league? I for one, find the idea intriguing &lt;3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That&#8217;s a lot of words.</p>
<p>Anyway, this is quite disappointing. I&#8217;ve never seen Bill Simmons shoot himself this much in the foot. It&#8217;s obvious that the man is trying to innovate for the sake of innovation. The problems he posts are relevant don&#8217;t get me wrong, but the solutions he posts are shallow, like something he just jotted down in 10 min.</p>
<p>I could have a million opinions on this article, but one that stands out the most is my rebuttal on his view of the kinds of statistics we use for fantasy (points, rebs, blocks etc)</p>
<p>We have to take step back and look at history here. For years, basketball statistics has been very shallow. We thought that what makes a player good, are the amount of points or blocks or rebounds he gets. Thus we patterned Fantasy Basketball on those stats. But we know now that that is not true. Basketball Statistics have advanced and we have better measurements such as Ass/TO ratio, PER, +/-, Win Scores, Usage Rate, Rebound Rate etc. All better gauges of a players true value. Even real NBA teams rely heavily on these stats.</p>
<p>If he wanted to talk about realism, why not use the above statistics for a fantasy league? I for one, find the idea intriguing &lt;3</p>
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