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	<title>Comments on: Day 21 of 170: Capt Jack Sails Away</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2009/11/17/day-21-of-170-capt-jack-sails-away/comment-page-1/#comment-4116</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those were good days indeed...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like your general classification of fantasy studs. I don&#039;t think there are too many guys in the league who are both talented enough and egotistical enough (in a good way) to perform at the level someone like Kobe does with the talent around him. Most of the good players in the league are more like Paul Pierce, who is still very good talent-wise these days, but definitely gave up being the guy for a crappy Celtics team to go after a ring (those who are not willing to change like Pierce end up walking the path of Iverson). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, I think the interesting question is are there any guys in the league without the talent of Kobe, Wade, Dirk, etc who would be just as good on a team stacked with talent as they would be on a team like the Pacers or the Bobcats? I’d guess yes, but no one jumps to mind right now. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d have to watch more of Granger to form a solid opinion on him, but from what I&#039;ve seen of him this year I think you might be selling his game a little short. Maybe he couldn&#039;t switch places with Kobe and stay a top 5 fantasy guy, but on 25 of the other teams he might be able to.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yeah, Marion is a very good example of someone who needs good teammates (especially a good PG I guess) to be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those were good days indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>I like your general classification of fantasy studs. I don&#39;t think there are too many guys in the league who are both talented enough and egotistical enough (in a good way) to perform at the level someone like Kobe does with the talent around him. Most of the good players in the league are more like Paul Pierce, who is still very good talent-wise these days, but definitely gave up being the guy for a crappy Celtics team to go after a ring (those who are not willing to change like Pierce end up walking the path of Iverson). </p>
<p>So, I think the interesting question is are there any guys in the league without the talent of Kobe, Wade, Dirk, etc who would be just as good on a team stacked with talent as they would be on a team like the Pacers or the Bobcats? I’d guess yes, but no one jumps to mind right now. </p>
<p>I&#39;d have to watch more of Granger to form a solid opinion on him, but from what I&#39;ve seen of him this year I think you might be selling his game a little short. Maybe he couldn&#39;t switch places with Kobe and stay a top 5 fantasy guy, but on 25 of the other teams he might be able to.</p>
<p>And yeah, Marion is a very good example of someone who needs good teammates (especially a good PG I guess) to be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2009/11/17/day-21-of-170-capt-jack-sails-away/comment-page-1/#comment-4118</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think with every day that passes, we get further away from reality. And don&#039;t forget Chris Paul, who was carrying one of my teams to the top of the league. Now, we&#039;ll be lucky to see him before Thanksgiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think with every day that passes, we get further away from reality. And don&#39;t forget Chris Paul, who was carrying one of my teams to the top of the league. Now, we&#39;ll be lucky to see him before Thanksgiving.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Wisniewski</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2009/11/17/day-21-of-170-capt-jack-sails-away/comment-page-1/#comment-4117</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Wisniewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Between Vince, Tony Parker, Dampier, Speights and now Jameer Nelson (4-6weeks), all being hurt, how am I supposed to figure out if my team is any good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Between Vince, Tony Parker, Dampier, Speights and now Jameer Nelson (4-6weeks), all being hurt, how am I supposed to figure out if my team is any good?</p>
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		<title>By: brendank</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2009/11/17/day-21-of-170-capt-jack-sails-away/comment-page-1/#comment-4115</link>
		<dc:creator>brendank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I wrote an article essentially saying that back when I was a fantasy basketball blogger (remember those days?) and I pretty much attributed Danny Granger&#039;s value to his ridiculous usage rates.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By my estimation, there are two kinds of fantasy studs: Those who are great even with very good teammates (Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki) and those who are great at least in part do to a lack of having good teammates (Granger.) I&#039;m not saying that great players with bad teammates are inherrently of the second type (Dwayne Wade, for example, has proven to be a beast on a good team and a slightly-bigger beast on a bad one) but if a player DOES fall into the second category, I consider their value to be far less secure than the latter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kobe Bryant is gonna be Kobe even playing alongside some of the best players in the league. I&#039;m not sure we could say the same thing if Granger (a dominant wng player) was playing with a good/great post player and/or point guard. He&#039;d certainly be awesome, but top 3-5? Not so sure...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh, and then there&#039;s the inverse of the type 2 stud: Those who are only good with good teammates. This is rare, as typically a top 5 player is a self-contained value, but how else do you explain Shawn Marion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I wrote an article essentially saying that back when I was a fantasy basketball blogger (remember those days?) and I pretty much attributed Danny Granger&#39;s value to his ridiculous usage rates.</p>
<p>By my estimation, there are two kinds of fantasy studs: Those who are great even with very good teammates (Kobe Bryant, Dirk Nowitzki) and those who are great at least in part do to a lack of having good teammates (Granger.) I&#39;m not saying that great players with bad teammates are inherrently of the second type (Dwayne Wade, for example, has proven to be a beast on a good team and a slightly-bigger beast on a bad one) but if a player DOES fall into the second category, I consider their value to be far less secure than the latter.</p>
<p>Kobe Bryant is gonna be Kobe even playing alongside some of the best players in the league. I&#39;m not sure we could say the same thing if Granger (a dominant wng player) was playing with a good/great post player and/or point guard. He&#39;d certainly be awesome, but top 3-5? Not so sure&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, and then there&#39;s the inverse of the type 2 stud: Those who are only good with good teammates. This is rare, as typically a top 5 player is a self-contained value, but how else do you explain Shawn Marion?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ll just have to see how Redd&#039;s career plays out, but I&#039;d gladly take the under on Redd playing until he&#039;s 37 years old. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding Jennings, I&#039;d like to see some numbers behind this, but I&#039;ve always assumed that the more a player has the ball in his hands, the better his fantasy potential even if his efficiency will likely decrease. It&#039;s why someone like Rafer Alston was actually a viable fantasy PG for a number of years. Provided Redd can play a decent number of games this year, we&#039;ll have to remember to look back at Jennings splits to see what happened. Should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#39;ll just have to see how Redd&#39;s career plays out, but I&#39;d gladly take the under on Redd playing until he&#39;s 37 years old. </p>
<p>Regarding Jennings, I&#39;d like to see some numbers behind this, but I&#39;ve always assumed that the more a player has the ball in his hands, the better his fantasy potential even if his efficiency will likely decrease. It&#39;s why someone like Rafer Alston was actually a viable fantasy PG for a number of years. Provided Redd can play a decent number of games this year, we&#39;ll have to remember to look back at Jennings splits to see what happened. Should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: brendank</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man... That could really go one of two ways, can&#039;t it? I could see Redd playing till he&#039;s 37 or 28, fading into the back end of some borderline contender&#039;s rotation on a 1 year contract, getting under 20 min a game and not playing in the playoffs. Or I could see him having career ending surgery in his first game back this season. Dunno. What do you think?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sub-question: Will Brandon Jennings be a better or worse fantasy player when Redd Returns? Fewer shots taken, for sure, so decreased points and threes (better FG%?) But having another qualified scorer MIGHT help his assists a touch, and would almost certainly let him rebound more (love his potential as a rebounding PG.) Overall increase or decrease in value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man&#8230; That could really go one of two ways, can&#39;t it? I could see Redd playing till he&#39;s 37 or 28, fading into the back end of some borderline contender&#39;s rotation on a 1 year contract, getting under 20 min a game and not playing in the playoffs. Or I could see him having career ending surgery in his first game back this season. Dunno. What do you think?</p>
<p>Sub-question: Will Brandon Jennings be a better or worse fantasy player when Redd Returns? Fewer shots taken, for sure, so decreased points and threes (better FG%?) But having another qualified scorer MIGHT help his assists a touch, and would almost certainly let him rebound more (love his potential as a rebounding PG.) Overall increase or decrease in value?</p>
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		<title>By: nelswadycki</title>
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		<dc:creator>nelswadycki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. What&#039;s the over/under on how many more years Redd will try to play before retiring?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. What&#39;s the over/under on how many more years Redd will try to play before retiring?</p>
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		<title>By: brendank</title>
		<link>http://givemetherock.com/2009/11/17/day-21-of-170-capt-jack-sails-away/comment-page-1/#comment-4111</link>
		<dc:creator>brendank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;m jumping the gun here, but I&#039;ve watched the Bucks quite a bit this season and I&#039;m becoming a fan of Ersan Ilyasova as a &quot;glue guy&quot; for fantasy purposes. Maybe after Michael Redd comes back, the minutes crunch between him Delfino, and Warrick will dilute his value... but I think he&#039;s going to grow into a legit rotation player who contributes (conservative guess) 1-1.5 treys, 1+ steals and 5+ rebounds a game in his career. Eventually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#39;m jumping the gun here, but I&#39;ve watched the Bucks quite a bit this season and I&#39;m becoming a fan of Ersan Ilyasova as a &#8220;glue guy&#8221; for fantasy purposes. Maybe after Michael Redd comes back, the minutes crunch between him Delfino, and Warrick will dilute his value&#8230; but I think he&#39;s going to grow into a legit rotation player who contributes (conservative guess) 1-1.5 treys, 1+ steals and 5+ rebounds a game in his career. Eventually.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point, I had missed the news about Outlaw. Like you said, Fernandez can hit the three and as a result makes a decent add if you&#039;re in need of treys as long as Outlaw is out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point, I had missed the news about Outlaw. Like you said, Fernandez can hit the three and as a result makes a decent add if you&#39;re in need of treys as long as Outlaw is out.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Wisniewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Wisniewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like Rudy Fernandez will be getting most of Travis Outlaw&#039;s minutes by the looks of the last two games. He doesn&#039;t rebound or distribute that much, but he will get some steals and drop treys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like Rudy Fernandez will be getting most of Travis Outlaw&#39;s minutes by the looks of the last two games. He doesn&#39;t rebound or distribute that much, but he will get some steals and drop treys.</p>
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