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  • Mo Melo

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    Categorized as: Author: Erik, Author: Nels, Denver Nuggets, Fantasy Basketball, New York Knicks, Trades
    Posted on: February 22nd, 2011

    Well, Patrick has already done his part for GMTR as far as the actual trade goes, especially since he also analyzed the deal that was all but done with Nets a few months ago. Or maybe it wasn’t even that long ago… Time has seems to stretch as far as Carmelo Anthony trades are concerned…

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    (Also, it sadly possible to simply Google “Caramello” and come up with naked women (NSFW). Is there no place safe from naked women???? Spoken like the true fantasy nerd and computer geek that I am)

    Anyway if you didn’t read Patrick’s post (how dare you!) … here’s the summary of the trade…

    To acquire Anthony, the Knicks are sending Danilo Gallinari, Raymond Felton, Wilson Chandler, the Knicks’ 2014 first-round pick, two second-round picks New York acquired from the Golden State Warriors in the David Lee sign-and-trade and $3 million. The Knicks will also trade Anthony Randolph and Eddy Curry’s expiring contract to the Minnesota Timberwolves, who will send Corey Brewer to New York. The Knicks will receive Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Renaldo Balkman and Anthony Carter.

    And here’s what Erik and I have to contribute to the discussion…

    Erik sez:
    I’ll only comment on the Knicks as the Nuggets are apparently not yet done wheeling and dealing. Short and sweet, New York overpaid, big time. Is Carmelo Anthony worth the talent of all of those guys put together? No, absolutely not. They gutted their roster and are now, not likely going to remain in playoff contention this season. The Knicks are now probably the worst defensive team in the NBA. We used to call GSW “The Golden Ticket” over here at GMTR, now it’s going to be the Knick Bonanza or something more witty once I come up with it. With whatever Denver does before the deadline finally arrives, they can’t go wrong. They’re already winners because they were able to milk the Knicks for all they were worth.

    On the fantasy end, I like Billups for the remainder of the season. We can expect an uptick in his assists while continuing to see throw up his “big shots.” Landry Fields is going to have to step up his offensive contributions, so he’ll be more involved on that end. Amar’e should remain steady at whatever it is he’s been delivering. On to Melo. We’ll really have to see how he and Amar’e operate together. They’re both offensive finishers and each demand X amount of touches. Most analysts have christened this to be a wash as far as his value is concerned. I on the other hand, beg to disagree, a little. There’s one consistent benefit scorers have gotten from working under Mike D’Antoni, and that’s the improvement of their outside shooting. Just look at Z-Bo, Amar’e and even Raymond Felton as examples. With Melo expected to drop points in the high 20’s, more and more of those points will slowly be credited from shots taken from beyond the arc. It’s a logical progression and path to coexisting with competent scorer in the paint like Stoudemire. Melo will be able to bring to you some Durant-lite like lines, obviously with less defensive stats, but scoring, threes, and percentages, boards will come raining down in buckets; if not immediately, they will more evident in 2011-12. NY now has a front court that’s actually thinner than Miami’s. Turiaf, Stoudemire, Williams (Shelden) will not be the prettiest nor the most effective defensively, but is unfortunately all NY has to work with at the moment.

    While the Knicks did sacrifice a lot right now, just to secure Anthony, consider this a successful “Phase 2” in their overall plan to assemble an all-star triumvirate (or more) come 2012. They may look ugly on paper now, but the Knicks are also just that more inviting for a third superstar to join forces with Stoudemire and Anthony.

    Nels sez:
    Yes, the Knicks overpaid. But as Erik points out at the end there, what does everyone think when they get Chris Paul now? Not so bad anymore eh? But, as Patrick said, they probably could have gotten Melo as a free agent for a lot less without trading everyone without an apostroph’e in their name.

    That said, look at what they do have left… Billups is taking over for Felton on a team that ups Denver’s pace by 2 possessions per game. Not only that, but he’s now playing with a legit Power Forward who can run screen and rolls like it ain’t even a thang. I also tend to think he’ll get more open shots with Anthony and Stoudemire drawing most of the defense… but that means they’d have to pass to them, and as someone who sits next to a Carmelo Anthony owner every day, let me tell you, the one thing i know about fantasy basketball is that Carmelo Anthony does not pass the ball. His season average of 2.8 assists per game is only beaten by the fact that Amar’e is at 2.7. And these are guys who are playing on teams with 95 and 97 possessions per game respectively. (Just for reference, I checked and Zach “The Black Hole” Randolph averages 1.7 assists, so I guess Carmelo and Amar’e could possibly be less helpful in that category)

    I’m going to say I’m quite happy as a Landry Fields owner. There’s nobody in the trade who is going to take away from his 30+ minutes per game, and even though Billups and Melo could actually take on more of the scoring than Felton, Danilo, and Chandler combined, there are still plenty of opportunities for Fields to get his 7 rebounds, and 1 three per game, and he might even be able to up the steals and blocks since there’s not going to be a whole lot of defense coming from anyone else.

    As for the Nugs, well, Danilo is 94% owned, so not much doing there… Maybe worth trading for since his scoring opportunities will probably go up, but his owners will probably recognize that and make some sort of unrealistic demand without the statistical evidence to back it up. Arron Afflalo is only owned in 74% of leagues, but that means he probably only available in small leagues and ones that no one is really playing in… But, it’s worth a check in your league to see if he’s available since he gets a boost in upside potential with this trade. The biggest gainer, though, as Patrick pointed out, is Ty Lawson. If the Nuggets do ship out Felton (and I wouldn’t blame them, I still harbor a grudge against Felton for stepping on Chris Duhon’s as he was lying on the floor when he was a Bull), then Lawson is a great pick up. In fact, I already took Patrick’s advice and dropped Luke Ridnour to stash Lawson in one of my leagues. He’s already rostered in two other leagues, so clearly there is a desire for his work out there.

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    • http://givemetherock.com/ Patrick

      Hey, it could be worse. I did a google search for “Carmelo Headphones” and got a naked dude about 10 pages in. The worst part of it is that he wasn’t even wearing headphones.

    • Anonymous

      That’s why that ’14 pick is so crucial in this deal. They’ll be about 19 million under the present cap in 2012/13 without some Western Conference PG signed to go with Stat, Fields, Douglas, and Balkman. So they max out on Paul or DWill and have to pull a Heat with players signing for the minimum. But will there continue to be a mid-level exception after this new deal for 13/14? Will a hard cap prevent that kind of 3-player max out? Fields (and Balkman?) will need to reup by 2014, and that pick was the only guaranteed influx of new talent for a team with no money.

      Chandler was going to be too expensive anyway, and Gallo or Fields had to be in the mix, so I’m ok seeing Gallo go. I just don’t get how the Knicks were forced to give up all the picks and Mozgov when they had a position of strength.

      I think I would have rather waited out the CBA than make this deal now and reup Melo for $65/3. We’ll see.

    • Terrance

      lawson over ridnour? I know ridnour has his ceiling, but I think he has more value than lawson. this is coming from a lawson owner who thinks that felton won’t be around long. ridnour is having a decent season and is a great PG3. Does lawson have more than a PG3 as this season finishes up?

    • Anonymous

      Hmm. My not jumping off the ledge just yet, yet worried about 2014 post disappeared into the ether. Anyway, the argument being made that Melo makes the Knicks better and neither Mozgov nor anyone else should have held up the deal is specious. If you are bargaining in a position of power, you shouldn’t have to pay top dollar to get what you want. He wasn’t signing with the Nets. Adding Mozgov and all those picks is just ridiculous. If Melo signs the extension as offered, CP3 can’t max in 2012 and Fields can’t be extended before CP3 arrives. The only way to know that this is all going to work out would be a complete violation of NBA tampering rules. Of course, the Heat got away with it.

    • http://givemetherock.com/ Patrick

      If Felton goes, Lawson over Ridnour. If Felton stays, Ridnour over Lawson. How’s that for hedging? As I stated in my post today, Lawson has averaged over 15 points, 6 assists and 1.5 threes in the starts he’s had this season, which is better than what Ridnour has done this year. But like you said, there is nothing wrong with Ridnour’s 11.6 points and 5.6 assists so far this season for a third PG.

      I’d like to have your problem…

    • http://givemetherock.com/ Patrick

      You’ve pretty much summed up my thoughts on the deal. Who really knows what went on behind closed doors in negotiations, but it seems like

      The Knicks offered Gallo or Chandler
      The Nuggets wanted both
      The Knicks offered both Gallo and Chandler
      The Nuggets wanted a first round pick too
      The Knicks offered Gallo, Chandler and picks
      The Nuggets wanted Mozgov
      The Knicks offered Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and picks

      The Nuggets really should have kept going to see how much they could ring from the Knicks. Maybe Donnie Walsh could have become the team’s personal butler for a season.

      I do think the trade makes the Knicks better in the short term and you can’t call getting Carmelo Anthony a bad trade. It was just a steep price to pay for a team that supposedly had leverage and time on their side. Also, like you’ve said, they’ve locked themselves into a long-term position when the new CBA could drastically change the financials of the game.

    • Anonymous

      Ha, ha! Reading that made me immediately go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tit89ofCOt4
      I listened to MIke Francesca on WFAN today, and of course, no one could get out a convincing CBA argument before he cut them off. Because he and others can’t get past the “you got the best player” part of the deal, and you just can’t argue with those guys.